Veterans' Views On Repeal of Don't Ask, Don't Tell In The Military
Bill Smith, Editor: Today, the Senate did vote 65 to 31 to repeal the "don't ask, don't tell" law. A social agenda was enacted which will place others who are in harms way at potential risk. First, all military be they gay or straight fighting on the front lines are heroes in my book. We all bleed red! But, as a former non-commissioned officer and a retired military officer, I opposed this repeal. Rather than rant on this topic, I wish to commend the following article by John Allison a veteran and former active duty Marine who speaks clearly to the situation. John is both a friend and a patriot!
For those who allege either of us are homophobic - forget it! We were willing to die for all Americans. We both see "all" people having value and deserving of dignity. In fact, we may well have served with gays who like all others served effectively and honorable. But in our own particular situations, we never considered our fellow male comrades having thoughts or designs on us or any fellow males. I am sure it is the same for female comrades serving and also being billeted in close quarters. People seemed to have forgotten that President Clinton initiated the Don' Ask, Don't Tell policy to protect gays wishing to serve in the military. This allowed all to serve regardless of sexual orientation but prevented anyone from openly practicing their sexual preferences with members as discussed in the below article.
I also agree with Allison's concluding statement of the article as modified: "May the blood of every young [and not so young] warrior [regardless of sex or sexual orientation] who dies because of this policy shift forever torment the politically correct legislators and low-life, politically motivated military officers who blinded themselves to the realities of the battlefield [, high risk operations, close quarter operations,] and supported this bill."
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by John Allison: This weekend may sound the death knell for the ban on gays serving openly in the US military. And if that death song is sung, it will be a detriment to the finest fighting force in the world.
Polling now shows a majority of Americans think it's time to repeal the ban, but less than 10% of American citizens have ever served in the US armed forces. I served four years in the United States Marine Corps, in a unit that heralded itself as the "tip of the spear," meaning we were the first to go in when Marines from our division were called. In two overseas deployments, our vehicles were always staged and ready to hit the beach when called. In my conversations with those who served before me, those who served with me, and those who served after me, I've come to know my views are not anomalous in the combat arms of the US military.
I'm not denying anyone, veteran or not, their right to an opinion on this matter, but I think the opinions of those of us who have served and are serving where the bullets fly and the blood splatters should carry a lot more weight than some protester on a corner at a college campus.
Those who want to repeal the ban often scream that an irrational fear or hatred of gays is the only reason anyone is against homosexuals serving openly. While I'm sure some of that exists, there are many other arguments to uphold the ban that any truly objective person can understand.
Let's start with living quarters. Most people have never been in a position where they were forced to sleep or shower with someone they didn't even know...unless they served in the military. In Marine Corps boot camp, everyone in a platoon showers together without stalls or privacy of any kind. The bathroom is one large room with toilets and urinals lining the walls, no stalls or privacy there. When I went through, Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT) wasn't even policy. Homosexuals were banned from serving period. When we showered, it never crossed our minds that someone might be sexually stimulated because homosexuals were banned from serving.
In the field, we were assigned to sleep in the same tent with another Marine. We didn't get to choose who we slept with, but we didn't have to worry about the guy next to us being gay and coming on to us. On Navy ships, we slept inches apart in a room with 40 men. We dressed and changed without privacy, but we never had to worry about attracting the sexual attention of another man because gays were banned from serving. Our quarters on the airfield in Mogadishu, Somalia consisted of a plywood, one-room building. Forty men slept shoulder-to-shoulder on the floor.
For all of you who think because you have a gay person who works in your office and things work fine, you don't live, sleep, and shower with them. So, if you would feel the least bit uncomfortable working with that person under the above described conditions, you're a complete hypocrite if you still think gays in the military are a good idea.
The second big argument I'll make deals with families. The military has become much more of a family friendly organization over the past couple of decades, but it's still a job that comes with frequent long deployments. Time away is already hard enough on wives and children left at home, but at least they don't have to worry about the guy daddy's with being gay. Imagine the added stress this would put on a wife at home, wondering if her husband is relieving his sexual frustration with his gay foxhole-mate. Stress at home destroys morale for deployed servicemen, and morale is essential when serving in combat zones.
The last case I'll discuss involves the mission. It's understood that serving in a combat zone is an extremely dangerous situation ALL the time. Those who've never been there don't understand what that really means. It means you have to be on your toes all the time, you have to be focused and attuned to what's going on around you always. Danger lurks everywhere and letting down your guard for an instant can get you and your buddies killed. Any distractions are dangerous. But we've never had to worry about sexual attraction creating that distraction on the battlefield because gays can't serve openly in the military. If two guys are getting it on instead of getting the job done, things are going to get really bad really quickly.
I can hear it already, supporters of repeal screaming that just because someone's gay doesn't mean they're going to be coming on to everything around them. It doesn't mean that people who aren't gay will suddenly fall to the lure of sex with their gay buddy. Maybe not, but are you willing to bet our national security on it? Are you willing to bet the lives of servicemen who will die because of that distraction that you don't think will materialize?
Though President Obama has managed to get political a Secretary of Defense and a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to support repeal of DADT, top generals in both the Army and Marines both oppose repeal. These branches bear the brunt of combat operations and their leaders understand the risks better than Washington bureaucrats, and generals who worry more over their own political futures than the welfare of their troops.
Today "Taps" will likely sound for the ban on gays serving openly in the military. And if it does, the finest fighting force in the world--the combat arms units of the US military--will irreparably suffer. But our politicians, including some Republicans, are more concerned with their own reelection prospects than the lives of those brave young men who serve in the combat arms.
May the blood of every young warrior who dies because of this policy shift forever torment the politically correct legislators and low-life, politically motivated military officers who blind themselves to the realities of the battlefield and supported this bill.
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John Allison is a high school math teacher, conservative activist, and blogs at America, You Asked for It! and Conservative Voices
Tags: Combat Arms, Don't Ask Don't Tell, DADT, Military, Gays, Combat, Marine Corps, Army, USMC, Democrat, Republican, War on Terror To share or post to your site, click on "Post Link". Please mention / link to the ARRA News Service. Thanks!
For those who allege either of us are homophobic - forget it! We were willing to die for all Americans. We both see "all" people having value and deserving of dignity. In fact, we may well have served with gays who like all others served effectively and honorable. But in our own particular situations, we never considered our fellow male comrades having thoughts or designs on us or any fellow males. I am sure it is the same for female comrades serving and also being billeted in close quarters. People seemed to have forgotten that President Clinton initiated the Don' Ask, Don't Tell policy to protect gays wishing to serve in the military. This allowed all to serve regardless of sexual orientation but prevented anyone from openly practicing their sexual preferences with members as discussed in the below article.
I also agree with Allison's concluding statement of the article as modified: "May the blood of every young [and not so young] warrior [regardless of sex or sexual orientation] who dies because of this policy shift forever torment the politically correct legislators and low-life, politically motivated military officers who blinded themselves to the realities of the battlefield [, high risk operations, close quarter operations,] and supported this bill."
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by John Allison: This weekend may sound the death knell for the ban on gays serving openly in the US military. And if that death song is sung, it will be a detriment to the finest fighting force in the world.
Polling now shows a majority of Americans think it's time to repeal the ban, but less than 10% of American citizens have ever served in the US armed forces. I served four years in the United States Marine Corps, in a unit that heralded itself as the "tip of the spear," meaning we were the first to go in when Marines from our division were called. In two overseas deployments, our vehicles were always staged and ready to hit the beach when called. In my conversations with those who served before me, those who served with me, and those who served after me, I've come to know my views are not anomalous in the combat arms of the US military.
I'm not denying anyone, veteran or not, their right to an opinion on this matter, but I think the opinions of those of us who have served and are serving where the bullets fly and the blood splatters should carry a lot more weight than some protester on a corner at a college campus.
Combat |
Let's start with living quarters. Most people have never been in a position where they were forced to sleep or shower with someone they didn't even know...unless they served in the military. In Marine Corps boot camp, everyone in a platoon showers together without stalls or privacy of any kind. The bathroom is one large room with toilets and urinals lining the walls, no stalls or privacy there. When I went through, Don't Ask Don't Tell (DADT) wasn't even policy. Homosexuals were banned from serving period. When we showered, it never crossed our minds that someone might be sexually stimulated because homosexuals were banned from serving.
Close Quarters |
For all of you who think because you have a gay person who works in your office and things work fine, you don't live, sleep, and shower with them. So, if you would feel the least bit uncomfortable working with that person under the above described conditions, you're a complete hypocrite if you still think gays in the military are a good idea.
The second big argument I'll make deals with families. The military has become much more of a family friendly organization over the past couple of decades, but it's still a job that comes with frequent long deployments. Time away is already hard enough on wives and children left at home, but at least they don't have to worry about the guy daddy's with being gay. Imagine the added stress this would put on a wife at home, wondering if her husband is relieving his sexual frustration with his gay foxhole-mate. Stress at home destroys morale for deployed servicemen, and morale is essential when serving in combat zones.
The last case I'll discuss involves the mission. It's understood that serving in a combat zone is an extremely dangerous situation ALL the time. Those who've never been there don't understand what that really means. It means you have to be on your toes all the time, you have to be focused and attuned to what's going on around you always. Danger lurks everywhere and letting down your guard for an instant can get you and your buddies killed. Any distractions are dangerous. But we've never had to worry about sexual attraction creating that distraction on the battlefield because gays can't serve openly in the military. If two guys are getting it on instead of getting the job done, things are going to get really bad really quickly.
I can hear it already, supporters of repeal screaming that just because someone's gay doesn't mean they're going to be coming on to everything around them. It doesn't mean that people who aren't gay will suddenly fall to the lure of sex with their gay buddy. Maybe not, but are you willing to bet our national security on it? Are you willing to bet the lives of servicemen who will die because of that distraction that you don't think will materialize?
Though President Obama has managed to get political a Secretary of Defense and a Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff to support repeal of DADT, top generals in both the Army and Marines both oppose repeal. These branches bear the brunt of combat operations and their leaders understand the risks better than Washington bureaucrats, and generals who worry more over their own political futures than the welfare of their troops.
"My suspicions are that the law will be repealed" eventually, Marine Corps Commandant James Amos told the Senate Armed Services Committee. "All I'm asking is the opportunity to do that at a time and choosing when my Marines are not singularly tightly focused on what they're doing in a very deadly environment."
Today "Taps" will likely sound for the ban on gays serving openly in the military. And if it does, the finest fighting force in the world--the combat arms units of the US military--will irreparably suffer. But our politicians, including some Republicans, are more concerned with their own reelection prospects than the lives of those brave young men who serve in the combat arms.
May the blood of every young warrior who dies because of this policy shift forever torment the politically correct legislators and low-life, politically motivated military officers who blind themselves to the realities of the battlefield and supported this bill.
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John Allison is a high school math teacher, conservative activist, and blogs at America, You Asked for It! and Conservative Voices
Tags: Combat Arms, Don't Ask Don't Tell, DADT, Military, Gays, Combat, Marine Corps, Army, USMC, Democrat, Republican, War on Terror To share or post to your site, click on "Post Link". Please mention / link to the ARRA News Service. Thanks!
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One reason this repeal passed is partly because the liberal Harry Reid is ramming too much legislation through in the lame Duck session. The same guy who showed his disdain for the military when he declared from the Senate Floor that the Was is Iraq was lost.
Another reason is the failure of Defense Department leaders to stand for the military verses other agendas. I saw this same weakness in our military Generals and civilian leadership 44 years ago, during the Vietnam War and it cost us dearly.
A chaplain friend of mine asked God this week, 'why do you allow evil to grow in America, and open homosexuality to be forced upon our military?' To which God answered him from Psalm 92:7: 'When the wicked spring as the grass, and when all the workers of iniquity do flourish; it is so that they shall be destroyed for ever.'
Homosexual sin will always be a stench in the nostrils of Almighty God, an abomination which God condemns and shall punish with everlasting destruction. Even if the Senate had voted 100 to 0 to legalize sin, they could not remove God from His throne of Judgment, before which every knee shall bow, and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord.
I hereby call upon the new Congress to never certify that the military is ready to implement repeal of Don’t Ask, Don’t Tell, and instead pass strong laws protecting the rights of Christian troops (especially chaplains) to openly speak their opinions about what the Bible calls sin, to refuse common showers, sleeping quarters and ‘social re-education’ without repercussion, guaranteeing religious freedom even outside of chapel services. If free speech and free religion rights of Christian chaplains and troops are not protected, then the military is not ready to certify or implement repeal, and will quickly begin to persecute good people of Christian conscience.
Thanks for reposting this Bill. Democrats' use of the military as a Petri dish to experiment with their desired social agenda just absolutely makes me sick.
Every veteran I've spoken with since they voted to repeal DADT agrees with us. The support for repeal all practically came out of the non-veteran community.
But we'll keep fighting for what's right my friend, trying to steer this country back to what the founders set up and what God smiled upon for two centuries.
God bless and Merry Christmas to all!
The biggest problem that I see with the repeal of this bill is not that gays will be openly serving, but that they are celebrating like it's a step toward civil rights for them. It's not. All this means is that now they can be openly gay, and then the military can openly discriminate against them. Nowhere is it prohibited to discriminate based on sexual orientation, and now that orientation doesn't have to be private. Not a step forward, but back for you folks.
Anonymous,
With the passage of the repeal of DADT, I can only assume that action will be taken by the legislature to change the UCMJ removing certain acts as criminal. The Uniform Code of Military Justice is not an optional item with the military.
The military does a good job of protecting its members from being discriminated against in the general since of discrimination. But their are lots of factors that come into retention when the services draw down their forces after a war.
Also, the military integrated the services before racial discrimination was seriously addressed in regular society in the US.
In addition to the factors of unit cohesion and moral in combat units, there will be certain side affects that would not have happened before.
For example, if a member openly identified themselves as gay, they may be denied tours of duty in countries where being a homosexuality brings a the death penalty or other harsh penalties by that host country or is barred by status of forces agreements.
In the military, to be promoted, one would need tours of duty when the specialty is such that those who go to combat get promoted to those that do not. Which is not dicrimination but part of the job description.
Also, fraternization, harassment, and certain open shows of affection are barred regardless of sexual orientation in the military to wards each other and towards any member junior in rank. For example, military do not go around holding hands with each other. If gays decide to be aggressive in violating these rules, they will find themselves subject to military law and disciple just as any other person would be.
It will take a couple years for the military to sort though the actions taken in the repeal of DADT.
Also there is the aspects of religions beliefs. Neither Congress nor the military can eliminate the beliefs of peoples religions. So there will be tension her as well.
Also, it is one thing to be gay, it is another thing to be granted spousal privileges in the military. This will be another difficult area to resolve and the cost to the military and thus the taxpayer will be very large.
(CNSNews.com) - 66.5 percent of U.S. Marine combat forces surveyed by a special Defense Department working group said that putting homosexuals in their units would hurt their effectiveness in the field, and 47.8 percent of Marines in combat units specifically said putting homosexuals in their units would hurt their effectiveness “in an intense combat situation.”
Washington (CNSNews.com) – The Veterans of Foreign Wars warns that allowing open homosexuals in the armed forces -– a new “social experiment” -– could bring an end to America’s all-volunteer army.
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